Sunday, March 18, 2007

Liblogs purge of the week: Jewish blogger Jason Cherniak purges pro-Palestinian Blogger over ads


Jason Cherniak, recently characterized as "the laughing stock of the blogging community", has purged pro-Palestinian blogger "Audacious". Reason? Well, according to Audacious certain ads run on the Audacious weblog didn't sit well with Jason Cherniak.

It's hard to believe that Jason Cherniak, the God of Liblogs, would accuse another blogger of running ads for the NDP when Cherniak does the exact the same thing on his own blog; he even runs ads for the same political party. Maybe a slight difference is that Jason does get paid for the ads (Jason is soo smart), where audacious refrains from accepting money from other political parties.

Anyone who has paid any attention to both blogs will have noticed the different takes these bloggers have on the P/I conflict. Jason's fallacious blog entry "what is anti-Semitism?" shows where he stands; entries by audacious had more of a pro-Palestinian bias. Could this be the reason for the purge? Will we ever find out the real reason?

UPDATE: Progressive Bloggers moderator Scott purged this posting from ProgBlog website without any consultation or explanation. He did leave a comment saying my post was "incendiary" and that I had "gone overboard on the title".

Purging is Hot!

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15 comments:

Scott Tribe said...

I see no point in the title of this Erik. SO what if he's a Jewish blogger?

This is incendiary.. if you disagree with him,.. fine.. but you've gone overboard on the title.

Erik Abbink said...

Scott; please read the "what is anti-semitism" post.

"SO what if he's a Jewish blogger?"

That's exactly THE question of the blogpost. There doesn't seem to be another valid reason for this "latest" purge, does there?

We all know Jason has a biased view on anti-semitism; did you acttually read that hidious post? To use his own words:
"I suppose I can only say that as a Jew, I have a better understanding of anti-Semitism than others might."

Could his bias have compromised his reasoning for purging "audacious"? I don't see audacious' postings as a problem, but, then again, I'm not a Jew.

Scott, how can you say the information is incendiary, when it is vital information for the post?

If Jason was an outspoken Christian blogger and Audacious an outspoken Muslim, I would have referred to those terms.

If Jason was an outspoken Muslim blogger and Audacious an outspoken Catholic, I would have referred those terms.

If Jason was an outspoken Catholic blogger and Audacious an outspoken atheist, I would have referred those terms.

Does this help?

Anonymous said...

Erik, do you really not see that someone may agree or disagree with a given view on anything (including Israeli/Palestinian conflict) regardless of their religion or ethnic group?

Look at yourself as an example. The Dutch resistance in WWII was almost as much of a joke as the French resistance. Proportionately, more Dutch Jews were exterminated than Jews of any other nation, INCLUDING Germany. So how can I trust ANY of your arguments, since this is your ethnic background?

Well, I can look at you as a Dutch person, assume that I know exactly what motivates you, and ignore anything you have to say -- after all, you are Dutch, and I know all I need to know about you people.

Or I can look at arguments you are actually making, and see whether or not I disagree with them. If I disagree with them, it would be for a factual reason, not the ethnic origin of the author.

Which option seems the most resonable to you? "Dutch blogger writes something stupid, probably wishes he could kill Anne Frank again"? Or "Erik writes something I disagree with, here's why"?

Jason Cherniak said...

So because I'm Jewish, my decisions regarding those who don't support Israel are automatically suspect? Nice.

Werner Patels said...

This censorship and purging that's currently going on at ProgBloggers and Liblogs is as illiberal and non-progressive as it gets. And who's Tribe, the bum, to tell you how to phrase your post titles? That's the height of arrogance.

Annamarie said...

My view is that we bloggers supposedly have the freedom from censorship that the neutered corporate msm does not. Hence, we should be able to put up our posts as we wish and title them as we wish. It is up to others to read or NOT to read them. Period.

This is why I am a blogger writing for free instead of writing for pay but having my pieces censored.

thebookmistress said...
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Erik Abbink said...

Anonymous said:
Look at yourself as an example. The Dutch resistance in WWII was almost as much of a joke as the French resistance. Proportionately, more Dutch Jews were exterminated than Jews of any other nation, INCLUDING Germany. So how can I trust ANY of your arguments, since this is your ethnic background?

I never claimed that because I'm Dutch I have a superior view on WWII.
Jason did claim because he is Jewish, to have a better understanding of anti-semitism than non-Jews might have. Do I need to say more?

PS Please sign in the next time; I hate anonymous posts.

Erik Abbink said...

Cherniak says:
So because I'm Jewish, my decisions regarding those who don't support Israel are automatically suspect? Nice.


No, It's because of this post that you are suspect. As I said here, your reasoning does not make sense.

Jan said it best: Chernik exhibits simplistic thinking processes, where A + B = C. Of course, as you aptly show, this black and white thinking rational does not hold when tested in similar scenerios.

And there we go again.

goodwin ginger said...

Tribe is right! It is not that Cherniak is Jewish Blogger, indeed there are many jewish bloggers which do not share Cherniak's POV.

So the issue is really that Cherniak is a Violent Zionist blogger which he could be even if he were say a Catholic like SFH WK.

As such you owe Jewish Canadians an apology. Like with all ethnicities it is not appropriate to characterize a whole group by its LCD.

Try the new title and see if Tribe lets it through!

thebookmistress said...

Right, but Jason did not claim to expell Audacious based on his "anti-Semitism". He claimed to expell him based on the ads.

So what you are really saying is, "Jason expells Audacious because he disagrees with him on the topic of Israel. He claims it's all about the ads. If Jason wasn't Jewish, than we would not know whether it's about the ads or about the politics. Since Jason is Jewish, we can assume it's about the politics."

Not that I expect you to understand the reasoning. Since you are from the Netherlands, obviously any view you have about any Jew cannot be trusted and is highly compromised. (This is not my actual view. I am just using the pattented Abbnik logic -- hope you don't mind?)

Big Fat Hairy Living said...

Scott Tribe is a total douchebag, and Progressive Bloggers is nothing more than a site for link-whores who want to get a few dozen more hits on their blogs.

Jason Cherniak said...

"Cherniak is a Violent Zionist blogger"

What do you mean by that? I've never been in a fight in my life.

goodwin ginger said...

"I've never been in a fight in my life."

Yah, we were kinda wondering why you had not enlisted in the IDF given your convictions on Israeli foreign policy are so strong. Or do you just encourage bellicose militartism and let others do the fighting and dying?

You ever think of the Irony that you share this in common with most Republicans in the US?

Erik Abbink said...

thebookmistress said...:
So what you are really saying is, "Jason expells Audacious because he disagrees with him on the topic of Israel."

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that Jason expells Audacious because of ads, and, that:
- Jason is a hypocrite; Jason runs ads too
- Jason lack of ability to reason properly, combined with his pro-israel bias (as shown in the "what is antisemitism" posting), can have played some part in his decision to remove Audicious.

Jason thinks he's a better judge on anti-semitism because he's Jewish. I believe the opposite is far more likely. Why? Because the "what is an anti-semite" is full of biased comments.


Since you are from the Netherlands, obviously any view you have about any Jew cannot be trusted and is highly compromised
Show me one (sic) post where my background HAS contributed to flawed reasoning resulting in a negative bias towards Jews. I look forward to the reply.

Cherniak's own reasoning is flawed and has clearly a pro-Israel bias; Anyone who criticizes Israel more than another county, is an anti-semite? This reasoning stinks!

So, how about Audicious? Audicious clearly critizises israel more than most surrounding states. Therefore? Audacious must be an anti-semite blog (Cherni-yak logic).

Now, was this the reason why Jason purged Audicious? I don't know. And since Jason is not talking (only critisizing), we'l probably never find out.

You see it now?

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