tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post7448726750882217724..comments2023-05-25T05:12:07.166-07:00Comments on Getting it Right: Purging progressive blogger Robert McClelland from the PB-blogroll is arbitrary, draconian and unfairUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-44624201571560957882007-03-19T00:00:00.000-07:002007-03-19T00:00:00.000-07:00No problem for using my posting ideas; that's what...No problem for using my posting ideas; that's what progressive blogging is all about!Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15012567844101960274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-48028397944358485812007-03-18T21:29:00.000-07:002007-03-18T21:29:00.000-07:00Hi Erik. I quoted a few lines from this blog post ...Hi Erik. <BR/><BR/>I quoted a few lines from this blog post and linked to it in my latest post. I hope that is OK with you. <BR/><BR/>Psychols (Paul)Psycholshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14979824582570452278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-74577546486989771742007-03-12T16:29:00.000-07:002007-03-12T16:29:00.000-07:00Robert said he doubted "he'd even be able to muste...<I>Robert said he doubted "he'd even be able to muster a "what a shame". The equivalent of shaking one's head and sighing.</I><BR/><BR/>That (equivalent of shaking one's head and sighing) is your interpretation. <BR/><BR/>Dr. Dawg's interpretation was as follows:<BR/><I>Well, if you're not even sure you'll be able <B>to say</B>"what a shame" as you sit back and watch your neighbours being led away, how is that different from not giving a crap?</I><BR/><BR/>Everybody is entitled to their own interpretation.<BR/><BR/>I do think the more interesting part of your comment is the issue of indifference. There you might (and just might) be able to change my opinion and pull be over the line of where free speech stops and outright discrimination/anti-semitism starts. Sofar nobody has done this yet. I welcome a reply.Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15012567844101960274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-68154781152792325112007-03-12T10:08:00.000-07:002007-03-12T10:08:00.000-07:00I agree that many would not speak up. My contneti...I agree that many would not speak up. My contnetion is simply that Robert's comment, to me, went well beyond that.<BR/><BR/>Robert didn't say he doubted he'd intervene (sad, but totally understandable). Robert didn't say he doubted he'd speak up (sadder, but still understandable given fear etc...). Robert said he doubted "he'd even be able to muster a "what a shame". The equivalent of shaking one's head and sighing. He doubts he'd even be a be to do that much. That level of indifference to the rounding up of Jews just goes too far for me. It's more than just inaction via fear. It's outright indifference. I think it's something very different.Lord Kitchener's Ownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08348376638620272991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-83899047790319605982007-03-10T08:40:00.000-08:002007-03-10T08:40:00.000-08:00I obviously quoted the wrong part:That you're not ...I obviously quoted the wrong part:<BR/><BR/><I>That you're not sure you could even mutter "what a shame" as they're led away is shocking, and reprehensible.</I><BR/><BR/>I respectfully disagree. Reason given in post, namely fear. I have no clue to how I would react under WWII pressures of possibly loosing my own life, and maybe those of my beloved once. History has shown most people will not speak up.<BR/><BR/>For the record, I would definitely THINK "what a shame", let there be no doubt about that; I'm not an anti-semite. <BR/><BR/>(thank God for Ctrl+c and Ctrl+v)Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15012567844101960274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-54402617576975564472007-03-09T23:42:00.000-08:002007-03-09T23:42:00.000-08:00Scott: Thanks for your reaction. Lord Kitchener:no...Scott: <BR/>Thanks for your reaction. <BR/><BR/>Lord Kitchener:<BR/><I>no one will ever convince me that indifference to the rounding up of a people based upon their religion and/or ethnicity is anything short of a morally repugnant stance.</I><BR/><BR/>I completely agree.<BR/><BR/><I>That one would be unsure whether or not they would intervene as they watched their Jewish neighbours being led away is a scary thought, though perhaps understandable.</I><BR/><BR/>I respectfully disagree. Reason given in post, namely fear. I have no clue to how I would react under WWII pressures of possibly loosing my own life, and maybe those of my beloved once. History has shown most people will not speak up. <BR/><BR/>For the record, I would definitely THINK "what a shame", let there be no doubt about that; I'm not an anti-semite. <BR/><BR/>Psychols; thank you for leaving a comment. I hope you didn't mind me paraphrasing part of your post. I envy your use of the English language....Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15012567844101960274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-15368140697973680432007-03-09T22:50:00.000-08:002007-03-09T22:50:00.000-08:00I'm pleased that you have continued to post on thi...I'm pleased that you have continued to post on this Erik. <BR/><BR/>We may not manage to have this decision reversed, but if a few of us express our disagreement it may encourage the moderators to take a more progressive and considered approach in the future.Psycholshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14979824582570452278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-62487008431405628712007-03-09T13:05:00.000-08:002007-03-09T13:05:00.000-08:00For the sake of argument, I'll agree that Robert i...For the sake of argument, I'll agree that Robert is not an anti-semite. For the sake of argument, I'll agree that his stated indifference to the renewed rounding up of the Jews is not anti-semitic. However, no one will ever convince me that indifference to the rounding up of a people based upon their religion and/or ethnicity is anything short of a morally repugnant stance. So, while I respect, and would defend, Robert's right to take a morally repugnant stance, and publish it on his blog, I have no problem with the Progressive Bloggers moderators deciding they don't want someone making such a morally reprehensible and indefensible comment to be associated with their blogroll.<BR/><BR/>I'm also shocked to see someone else write "When they come for the Jews I've got no clue if I will be able to muster up a 'what a shame'". It's a thoroughly disgusting comment. That one would be unsure whether or not they would intervene as they watched their Jewish neighbours being led away is a scary thought, though perhaps understandable. That you're not sure you could even mutter "what a shame" as they're led away is shocking, and reprehensible.<BR/><BR/>Shame on you.Lord Kitchener's Ownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08348376638620272991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-83457953292320621252007-03-09T12:50:00.000-08:002007-03-09T12:50:00.000-08:00You're free to express your opinions as always, bu...You're free to express your opinions as always, but the decision has been made and will not be reversed at this time.<BR/><BR/>I will say this - It was told to Robert this ban was indefinite, not permanent, and if he wishes to re-apply for affiliation in a year's time, we'll review (and at subsequent times thereafter if rejected and he wishes to re-apply thereafter).<BR/><BR/>That is my final thought on the matter.Oxford County Liberalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181314055142726735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-23662717588331354612007-03-09T12:04:00.000-08:002007-03-09T12:04:00.000-08:00Thank you, Mike. I couldn't agree more. Jason is ...Thank you, Mike. I couldn't agree more. <BR/><BR/>Jason <A HREF="http://abbink.blogspot.com/2007/01/jason-cherniak-doesnt-know-what.html" REL="nofollow"> is not progressive</A> AND makes anti-semitic comments. <BR/><BR/>He should have gone long before anyone else.Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15012567844101960274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-86330269953624905132007-03-09T11:56:00.000-08:002007-03-09T11:56:00.000-08:00As the one only guy defending Robert over at Chern...As the one only guy defending Robert over at Cherniak's place that day, I must agree. I thought Robert's comments were tasteless and disgusting. But no more tasteless and disgusting as Cherniak using an accusation of anti-semitism to attack and smear a political opponent (not to mention Chomski).<BR/><BR/>If Robert goes, so should that Liberal aparachik Cherniak.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06941875334878452635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-59669749000278175202007-03-09T11:40:00.000-08:002007-03-09T11:40:00.000-08:00Thank you, Audacious.Thank you, Audacious.Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15012567844101960274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-42779318192308428482007-03-09T11:32:00.000-08:002007-03-09T11:32:00.000-08:00i agree, it was the wrong decision to remove Rober...i agree, it was the wrong decision to remove Robert from the progressive blogrol.audacioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12385776133396365078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-25079574490608972912007-03-09T11:29:00.000-08:002007-03-09T11:29:00.000-08:00Thank you Jan. I hope more ProgBloggers will speak...Thank you Jan. I hope more ProgBloggers will speak up, either by <BR/>- responding here<BR/>- posting a message on their on blog<BR/>- or sending an email to the progblog team (email at the bottom left of the PB website)Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15012567844101960274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-27842967086598254162007-03-09T11:22:00.000-08:002007-03-09T11:22:00.000-08:00I too would like the progressive bloggers to recon...I too would like the progressive bloggers to reconsider their decision.susansmithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02573558646874765432noreply@blogger.com