tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post7128278540584241705..comments2023-05-25T05:12:07.166-07:00Comments on Getting it Right: Why Geert Wilders' movie Fitna is acceptable to EuropeansUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-82266261251436610472008-03-17T21:46:00.000-07:002008-03-17T21:46:00.000-07:00All freedom starts with freedom of speech. If the...All freedom starts with freedom of speech. If there is no freedom of speech, there will be no freedom. The Christians and Jews don't riot when somebody makes fun of Christ or Jews. People must learn to be civilized. Rioting MUST not be tolerated.<BR/><BR/>Bedankt! Well said. That'll be great if there's no rioting, how very mature that would be. Geert Wilders is a hero telling the painful truth. Definitely show it in Denmark ASAP.<BR/>.<BR/>absurd thought -<BR/>God of the Universe says<BR/>let yourself be bullied<BR/><BR/>never shoot rioting thugs<BR/>let them threaten you at will<BR/><BR/>.<BR/>absurd thought -<BR/>God of the Universe says<BR/>appease religious wackos<BR/><BR/>even those like Nazis<BR/>NEVER point out their faults<BR/><BR/>.<BR/>http://haltterrorism.com/<BR/><BR/>:)<BR/>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-14334909519012236692008-03-11T23:09:00.000-07:002008-03-11T23:09:00.000-07:00We are quite allowed to make cartoons making fun o...<I>We are quite allowed to make cartoons making fun of the Queen if we want to. We are also allowed to question her and all that because we live in a free society.</I><BR/><BR/>That's called a non-denial denial. <A HREF="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majesteitsschennis#Nederland" REL="nofollow">Here's why.</A><BR/><BR/>Maar toch bedankt, en groetjes uit Canada!Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15012567844101960274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-31227155304413967222008-03-11T21:40:00.000-07:002008-03-11T21:40:00.000-07:00We are quite allowed to make cartoons making fun o...We are quite allowed to make cartoons making fun of the Queen if we want to. We are also allowed to question her and all that because we live in a free society. <BR/><BR/>Geert Wilders himself once stood up and made disparaging comments about the Queen and talked about an abolishion of her position entirely. Of course, no one backed him up but he wasn't arrested or anything because of it.<BR/>No you can not yell fire in a theatre or make death threats.... That is an entirely different topic though. That is clearly to incite a panic. Making a video critical of a religion is not an incitement of panic though it may in fact cause one. The difference is simple. Making a death threat or shouting fire in a theatre serves no purpose but to create fear. Making a video showcasing your opinion on something serves the purpose of maybe making people think, or maybe showing people the truth as he sees it. <BR/><BR/>I was just thinking about something important to all this. See to me it is hypocritical of islamic nations to complain about any video depicting them in a maybe, less than opulant light.<BR/><BR/>They play videos and even make cartoons for their children depicting western cultures as evil and immoral all the time. They teach and make materials that are highly derogatory to Jewish people and even Christians. There are videos that are blatent lies about many countries played on Al Jazeera and Western figureheads portrayed as a sort of demon all the time.<BR/><BR/>Why is it that they can make their videos critical of western culture (I use the light word critical) but when another country does it on them they cry foul and play victim and even result to violence and death threats? It is plain and simple pure hypocrisy. <BR/><BR/>Do we the west make death threats to them over their videos or take to the streets burning their flags? Do we decapitate their filmmakers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-69017718427427717152008-03-11T21:04:00.000-07:002008-03-11T21:04:00.000-07:00It is impossible to explain free speech to them I ...<I>It is impossible to explain free speech to them I believe. This is a foreign idea to them and they may never understand it. </I><BR/><BR/>Well said. It's hard to explain free speech to people who've never been able to experience it. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand anonymous post does "explain" why they demand from the Dutch government that the movie be banned; that's what the governments of many muslim countries would do. <BR/><BR/>I bet it's hard to explain to people who grow up under a totalitarian regime (such as Iran) where the line is. There are indeed things you can't do, even in the Netherlands. Insult the Queen, I believe it's still not legal. Print (in eigen beheer) Adolph Hitler's "Mein Kampff"? not a good idea in the Netherlands. Shouting "fire" in a busy theater? It could get you in big trouble. <BR/><BR/>But other than the examples given I can't think of much else that you CAN'T do in a so-called "free and democratic society.<BR/><BR/>Quite fascinating, when you think about it :)Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15012567844101960274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-17013202588380861542008-03-11T20:34:00.000-07:002008-03-11T20:34:00.000-07:00What makes you think that the movie is going to "a...What makes you think that the movie is going to "abuse" someone's beliefs? Is that what you think it is about?<BR/>Have you somehow already seen the movie and know it is made for the purposes of abuse?<BR/><BR/>Yes freedom of speech does allow for people to say things that others will find offensive. What one finds offensive another will find acceptable. This is a common knowledge statement. <BR/><BR/>You act like people are supposed to tip toe around other's feelings.<BR/>No one is allowed to say their opinions or show their take on anything if it has the possibility of bothering another. Well, that is just not how life in the West works.<BR/><BR/>If Geert wants to put out his video show casing how he sees islam as, then he has that right and whether or not I agree with his personal sentiments, I full heartedly support his ability to express himself. <BR/><BR/>The moment we start dictating how another is allowed to use their freedom of speech is the time we become like the far east and not have freedom of speech.<BR/><BR/>To original poster:<BR/>I saw on the news a discussion with a Dutch reporter and a representative from Iran regarding this video. The Iranian rep seemed to be of the belief that the Dutch govnt is required to stop Geert from releasing the video. When the Dutch reporter tried to explain free speech to this man, it wasn't working. The Iranian man would insist that he indeed understood free speech, but immediatly stated the Dutch government needed to silence Geert.... It was falling on deaf ears entirely. The man stated that the other memebers in Govt are openly disagreeing with Geert but the Iranian man said that if the Dutch govt did NOT stop Geert than he and others, would consider that they support it.<BR/><BR/>It is impossible to explain free speech to them I believe. This is a foreign idea to them and they may never understand it. <BR/><BR/>I do believe that if this video is going to bother them so much, then maybe they ought to not watch it. Simple as that really. I don't watch hunting tele shows because hunting bothers my very being.... Same idea. (I think they should mind their own business and work on what happens in their country and stay out of what we do over here in the Netherlands. it is none of their business.)<BR/><BR/>They are already burning the Dutch flag and chanting Death to Holland so whatever. I refuse to be dictated by close minded people who insist on burning flags, chanting death and decapitating people. (Theo Van Gogh- Did we forget him?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-90470836447548376552008-03-10T09:04:00.000-07:002008-03-10T09:04:00.000-07:00Freedom of speech is a good concept, but think abo...<I>Freedom of speech is a good concept, but think about it is it okay if i use that freedom to abuse your beliefs will you not be offended.</I><BR/><BR/>Why don't you give it a try? I'm all ears...Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15012567844101960274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9904986.post-17793268363862005452008-03-03T11:18:00.000-08:002008-03-03T11:18:00.000-08:00Mate,Freedom of speech is a good concept, but thin...Mate,<BR/><BR/>Freedom of speech is a good concept, but think about it is it okay if i use that freedom to abuse your beliefs will you not be offended. The same applies here, even if Europe is the father figure of FOS, do you think the governments let you just say anything and get away with it.. think about it again..............<BR/><BR/>a common blogger myselfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com